Listen now (49 min) | Since this episode I’ve started working with Ryan runs ads for his book marketing company Booksweeps. However, this was all about making books, and his software Plottr, which exploded in popularity since this interview. In this episode, I talk to Ryan Zee and Cameron Sutter, founders of Plottr. It has become one of the biggest apps in the publishing space, but back when we did this interview it was just starting.